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Hello and welcome
back to Book Lust.

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I'm Nancy Pearl.

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My guest today is Priya Parmar,

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Who is the author of three
absolutely wonderful

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novels, and I'm so happy that
finally she's joining us here

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on Book Lust.

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Priya, thank you so much
for coming on the show.

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I really have been looking
forward to this for a long time.

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So your new book is
called The Original.

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I've been thinking about
how to describe this book,

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And one of the ways
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but I don't think it really
tells the whole story,

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which is a fictional biography
of Katharine Hepburn.

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But how do you think about what
you do in your three novels?

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I don't know if it's a
fictional biography as much

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as it, because it's, that, I
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off more than I could chew.

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That's a whole life.

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Whereas I'm trying to tell
a very specific story.

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I try and find, you know,
I don't know what it's

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about before I start.

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I just start the research.

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And then I hope that a story
is going to step forward

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And feel like this is the
story that needs telling.

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This is the urgent story.

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This is, you know, this
is where the pulse is.

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This is, you know,
all of those things.

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And I've gotten lucky three
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that feeling has happened
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This is the actual story.

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So it's more I'm telling a
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Slice of a life that that is
that basically takes us to

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To the icon that we remember.

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Oh, that's good.

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So that's good
because I'm going to

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Be talking about this book
a lot over the next year.

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So I wanted to to get it right.

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I mean, because to say, as
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Biography both kind of narrows
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Than what than what we than
this wonderful book that we

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have that I that I just love.

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Can I just say you're
such a kind and wonderful

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And unbelievable
advocate for my writing.

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And I just, I mean, I
literally was jumping up

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And down when they said that
you needed me to come on.

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I was just so thrilled because
you've been so kind about my

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writing from the very beginning,
and I appreciate it so deeply.

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Yeah, thank you.

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Well, it's just wonderful
to find an author that you

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Can really count on for
both a good read and just

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beautiful, beautiful writing.

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So after this, you won't need
any compliments for about

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15 minutes, because I will
have heaped them on you.

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So the three subjects of your
three novels are Nell Gwynn

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and Vanessa and Virginia Woolf,
and now Katharine Hepburn.

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How did you choose
those three women?

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I, they all came to me in
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Nell Gwynn was one of the
people that I had researched

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in my PhD, and she just
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Um, Vanessa Bell, I read
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she'd written that,
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I read a, I read a letter, a

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Couple of letters that
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Their voices just didn't
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just haunted me.

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And I just, I felt that, that,

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You know, falling down
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Of wanting to know more
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And, and that's, to me,
that's always the, the

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Big, you know, green
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And then Katherine Hepburn,

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I was watching Philadelphia
Story with my mom and,

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you know, it's one of my
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seen it so many times and she
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many times.

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And she said out of
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her comeback movie and
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surprised because I was like
come back from what she's

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always been on top she's
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Other person in the acting
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She ever not on top?

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Because you don't ever
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Hepburn not being on top.

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And I started Googling
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was completely hooked.

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And I realized slowly, you know,
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And half dawning horror when
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who you really love and you're
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Going to be my next book.

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I'm going to have to
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who scares me so much.

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And I, but that's always,
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Good stuff is when it
scares you a whole bunch.

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So how did you, your books are
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And the, you know, the settings.

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I mean and they just
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How did you go about
your research?

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Because it wasn't just Googling.

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I mean I picture
your writing room

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Wherever it is with just
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Over the walls, you know,
by movie or by person,

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That kind of thing.

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How did you go about it?

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That's actually very true.

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That's what I have who
have all over the walls.

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They're still, you
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But I, so I think because my
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I love primary documentation.

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I love primary research.

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I love anything I
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That's in their own voice.

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So I start there.

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I start with letters.

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I start with, you know,
if I'm lucky, diaries.

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But, you know, in this case,
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Wrote a ton of memos, which
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You know, so I read just,
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Knowing where the story is,
but just as much primary

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documentation as I can.

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and then I um and then I start
to read the secondary sources

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and everything else but then
I also love to go to the

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places you know because
I think a magic um you

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Know just sort of a magic
chemistry happens when you go to

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The places where they actually
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Things that that you know are
small details that would never

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Make it into a book but they're
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To you to to understanding
the landscape that you're

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Writing about to understanding
the you know what that person

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might have been going through
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Else and you know when um in the
scenes that you're writing so i

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I, I, then I go to the
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I just read and read
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And in this case, I was able to

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also watch her films.

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This is the first time
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someone where I knew what
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Which is in so many
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Cause you've you've
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Capture that iconic
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anybody else's voice.

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You were able to capture
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And the way, for example,
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You mentioned that in the book.

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And I could get a picture in my
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Without even, it was just there.

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She was like, you know, she
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reading the book, as was
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when you when I read Vanessa
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Blown away by how you had
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And I'm an older sister,
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Is very accomplished.

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And I just identified with
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and I remember telling
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if you're an older sister,
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You know, the relationship
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And I guess you're great.

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What I would describe
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Your just amazing ability to
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Give us a totally believable

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Story i mean when you
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Your books believing that
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Tape recorder going and this
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The biggest compliment
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That's the most wonderful thing
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Rings true and that's and
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You know so hard to um
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it ring true and that And
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Decisions of, you know, having
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That ends up on the cutting
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It's, you know, supported by
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To that doesn't ring true.

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And so it needs to go or
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Line but it doesn't work
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and it just means that I that
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Decisions all along the way
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true like that's that's
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It's it's it takes um you
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I just have to be kind of
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In terms of the editing in
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You've spent all this
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And then taking out and
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You know, I cut about,
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At least 100 pages.

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Was, there was, I think
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between Vanessa and her
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Which did not seem like
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much because I remember my
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of Vanessa and her sister.

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But were you searching for
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I was.

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I was.

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I also took time away
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Write for the stage.

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I wrote a show on the West End.

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I co-wrote a show called
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which is touring in the UK
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to the Royal Albert Hall.

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But so I did that.

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But really, I had sort of
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writing about Katharine Hepburn.

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And I had a big chunk of it.

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and then you know COVID hit and
it was it was really I got I

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wouldn't say I got stuck I
would say I got a bit because I

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couldn't go to California
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around the places and I
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the things that I normally
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Start of the research.

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I kind of had to approach
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And it was it was really hard.

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I got I got stuck.

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And so then eventually I
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I could do those things.

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And then and then it
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But so I would say it
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And I was also, I was
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father who passed away.

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So I was also, you know,
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And then there was stuff
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And then there was work stuff.

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So it was like a
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But I couldn't believe
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And it was, yeah.

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One of the things about the
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interesting were all the people,
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In the 1930s and all of those
names that are so iconic.

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And the way Katharine Hepburn
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all of those, you know, David
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John Ford and Howard Hughes.

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I mean, honestly, in your
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Surprise you in your reading?

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So much, so much.

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I mean, I didn't know
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Life that she had growing up.

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I didn't know that she'd
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Trauma as a child.

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I didn't know that she'd
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Much trauma on both sides.

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I didn't, you know, all
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Complete surprise to me.

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I didn't know, I didn't know
that, you know, she had been,

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you know, when I started this,
I didn't know that she had

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been married, you know, before.

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I didn't know any of,
you know, there was so

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Much that surprised me.

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And then they all had these,
you know, Cary Grant also had

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a life that I just
didn't see see coming.

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I had no idea about, I
can't, I'm not going to say

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anything because I don't want to
give things away, but so much

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in his life, I did
not guess was coming.

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So yeah, there was so
much that was surprised

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And to the point where
as a novelist, you're

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Not usually having the
the problem of, you know,

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Nobody's going to believe this.

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If I say this is the
truth and nobody's going

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to believe these things, I'm
going to have to, you know,

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how do I scale back the drama?

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You know, even though
it's all real life.

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So it was, you know, which
is an amazing problem

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To have as a novelist,
terrible for her to live

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Through, but an amazing
problem to have as a novelist.

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I thought that, so I knew
nothing, I mean, really nothing

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about Katharine Hepburn.

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I had, I read some books about

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Hollywood in the 1930s and the
Hays Code and the way there was.

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But I never dreamed that
she and Howard Hughes

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Had a relationship.

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I know.

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A big relationship.

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A big relationship.

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A life-changing relationship.

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And it's, it's, so you, I
didn't know she'd had that,

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but I, and I also didn't know,
I didn't know that Hollywood

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Was the way that it was.

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You think of Hollywood
in the 1930s.

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And before I did all of
this research, I imagined

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A place that was, you know,
conservative, straight,

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Like, you know, just all of
the things that you imagine

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The 1930s, you know, to be.

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But in actual fact, it
was, you know, bohemian.

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It was incredibly liberal.

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It was progressive.

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It was, you know,
open marriages.

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And people have, you know,
same-sex relationships

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were not only not uncommon.

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They were nobody batted an eye.

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It wasn't the way that
you think of the United

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States in the 1930s to be.

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And it was just this
incredible moment in time.

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And they were all this,
everybody was in on that

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Sort of agreement to
protect that ecosystem.

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You know, the press was in on
it, the, you know, the studio,

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You know, everybody was sort
of keeping the secret that

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Hollywood was this incredible
liberal place at that time.

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And I just, it was
all a surprise to me.

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And the, you know, hugely ironic
part of that is that while

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They tried to keep everything,
was putting on a show for

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The people who were going
to be watching the movies,

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that the way Cary Grant or
Katharine Hepburn lived

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was not this picture-perfect,
idyllic, American way of life.

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That was, I mean, I'm
sure it still goes on,

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But it was to such a degree.

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And it was, it was, and,
and she, she had such an

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Unconventional family
in, in so many ways.

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You know, her mother
was a huge in the

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suffrage movement.

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Her father was, you
know, an early,

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Early advocate for education
about venereal disease.

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You know, it was it was just
the discussions that were

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happening at the Hepburn dinner
table were not ones that you

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Imagine the 1920s and 30s to be.

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So she starts off there and
then she goes to Hollywood,

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Which is just this really,
you know, heady, free place

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At that time, which was
just a real joy to write.

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It was wonderful to be
able to write that.

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And it was so heartbreaking
that those were sort of the

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Last few minutes of that time.

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And then the Hays Code
sort of brought the end

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Of that liberal period.

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Yeah.

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You sort of thought what the
reader, I think, kind of falls

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In love with these characters.

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I mean, even Randolph Scott.

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I mean, I never ever thought
of, I don't think I would

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ever, I mean, I knew who he,
I mean, I knew the name and

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I knew he was a movie star.

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But I don't think the
name Randolph Scott ever

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Came to me or ever would.

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And then he turns up in
your book, and there he is.

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And Howard Hughes, you
humanize him in a way.

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I mean, I think when I
was telling somebody

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about this book, he
told me, he said, yeah,

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You know how he died, and
you know what condition

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he was in when he died,
But, which is true, and you

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talk about that, but Howard
Hughes has this whole other

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Life, you know, before that.

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And, well, I don't think
I'm giving anything away,

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but Kate ends up with this
beautiful emerald diamond ring.

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Is that ring still in existence?

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She kept it until she died.

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It was among her belongings
that were auctioned.

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I think it was Sotheby's that
auctioned it after she died.

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But so she kept it
all of her life.

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He meant that much to her.

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And the way she spoke about
him, you know, to the end of

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Her life was with such love.

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You know we all know about
Spencer Tracy and the

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The romance that happened
there but the way that

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she loved howard hughes was
just clearly incredibly

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Incredibly meaningful and
the way that you know

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What happened to his life
you know in the very

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Sad sort of descent into
you know addiction and

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OCD and all these terrible
things that he suffered

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At the end of his life
that you're right that

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beginning part when he was
you know young when he

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Was healthy when he was
when he was totally on top

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As a filmmaker, as an aviator,
you know, all of these

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Things kind of get lost.

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And there's so much more to
him than just the obsessively,

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obsessively driven, you
know, aeronautic engineer.

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There's so much more to him.

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He adored her.

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You know he just clearly
and they and they clearly

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Adored each other and the
way that she treated his

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Deafness um i think that
once i sort of figured

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once i understood how she
approached his deafness

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Because she comes from a
medical family so it was

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Not something you know to
be i'm so sorry i have a

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dog behind me who's just
wiggling around um who

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Uh you know the way that
she treated his deafness

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Was i think unlike anyone else
in in his life and it freed him

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I think it i think it gave him

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A way of being in the world that
didn't have any shame attached

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To it, which was wonderful.

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And I think that's one
of the reasons he just

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was crazy about her.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Are you thinking about,
I know you're going

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To be busy with publicity
and and everything else

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With the new book.

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But are you thinking
about another woman?

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I'm circling three
at the moment,

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and I don't know where
it's going to land.

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I don't know how
it's going to go.

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And what's weird is that
I've never actually

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Had that happen before.

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I've always known really
early on, like, okay,

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That doesn't work.

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okay that doesn't work
and then when I know you

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know it's it's scary but
I know um in the in this

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case I'm I'm not I'm not
sure I'm not sure yet

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And it's been it's been
such a joy to write her

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Um and you know i i i've been
living with her longer than i've

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Been living with anyone else
i've written about but i'm

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Really struggling to let her go
i'm really struggling to let

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That whole world go um you
know it's it's it's tough you

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Sort of get homesick for this
fictional world that you've

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Built and you want to go
back and you find that

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your you know your gate
key doesn't work anymore

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And it's upsetting.

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Yeah no I mean because I
was thinking I've been

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thinking about who I
would like you to do.

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I couldn't come up
with anybody that

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That was as vital as the
people that you have chosen,

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but I'm going to keep
working on it and if I can

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think of somebody, I will get
in touch with your publicist.

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No, get in touch with me.

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I'll give you my email.

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I would love to hear from you

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about absolutely anything.

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I did want to give you one quick
fiction recommendation, if you

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Haven't read it, but maybe you
came across it when you were

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doing the Mrs. Pankhurst play.

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there's a novel called
Old Baggage by a British

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writer named Lissa Evans
and the main character

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Is one of the early suffragettes
and what they went through

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And it's just a wonderful
wonderful novel.

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I do think you would
really like it.

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I don't know that one.

421
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I'm going to write that down.

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Lisa, Lisa Evans.

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Okay. Lisa Evans.

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And it's all in baggage.

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Yeah. Amazing.

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Amazing. Amazing.

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Wow. I gave reader's advisory

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to, uh, did that
for a Priya Parmar.

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I would love I would love that.

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I would love that.

431
00:25:22,181 --> 00:25:22,756
I would.

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Absolutely. And I'm
always looking for,

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I mean, you know, it's, it's,
it's, if you really do come

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Across someone you think,
oh, this would be great to

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write about, please tell me.

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00:25:34,817 --> 00:25:42,200
Because it's really hard to
envision how it's going to go.

437
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,740
And you never know if readers
are going to connect or not.

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And you always seem to
be really, you know,

439
00:25:49,961 --> 00:25:53,278
Have your finger right
on the pulse of that.

440
00:25:53,278 --> 00:25:54,170
Thank you.

441
00:25:54,170 --> 00:25:55,057
Thank you.

442
00:25:55,057 --> 00:25:58,380
Well, Priya, thank you so
much for coming on the show.

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It's just been a real treat
for me to get to talk to you.

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And I look forward to
rereading the original,

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your brand new book.

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And now I feel like I need to
go back to the earlier two,

447
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Which will give me great
pleasure in rereading them, too.

448
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So thank you and write on.

449
00:26:17,577 --> 00:26:18,477
I will.

450
00:26:18,477 --> 00:26:20,419
I'm on the case.

451
00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:21,025
Thank you.

452
00:26:21,025 --> 00:26:21,630
Thank you.

453
00:26:21,630 --> 00:26:23,376
Thank you so much for having me.

454
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You're very welcome.

455
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